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PostSubject: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 3:53 pm

Dedicated Servers! Sign the petition today! They will not get one penny from me if they do not allow dedicated servers!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/dedis4mw/petition.html


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http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=92743669fff35323723ec7d76a059625&t=18655
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 3:55 pm

Maybe it is a better idea to have it in a seperate thread but i want to say i did put this in the other Modern Warfare 2 thread
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 3:58 pm

I've signed
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 4:17 pm

I put it here so everyone can see. Sorry DaBandit, did not see your post. But, hopefully, all members and visitors will take the time to read and sign petition.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 4:20 pm

Hope so
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 4:31 pm

Signed. Let's hope they get the message.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 5:38 pm

lol!
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 6:32 pm

Signed..hope they listen..

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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 7:12 pm

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whats all the fuss about anyway..
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PostSubject: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 9:31 pm

done deal eh,already over 31000 signatures cool
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sun 18 Oct 2009, 11:23 pm

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whats all the fuss about anyway..


This is what its about, taken from another site.


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Latency

Dedicated servers are usually always provided by big game hosting companies, with massive bandwidth DSL connections. They have direct access to the internet backbone providing upload speeds in excess of 100 MBits/s. Now lets scale that back to the average user, lowest tier access to the internet with low priority connection, upload speed generally around 0.5-1.0 MBits/s. I don't know about you but that is not at all good when compared to what game server hosts provide, a 99% reduction in bandwidth. I realise this won't result in a 100 times worse connection, but it will definitly increase ping, if you are in the same state or country you will likely get a ping of 100-250 milliseconds, different state or country? 250-1000 milliseconds seems about right. This would result in awful hit registration and lag. This alone would make competitive play extremely difficult and public play very unpleasant.

Host drop out

The host of the game leaves for whatever reason, and so bang goes the game. I know IW will likely put in some feature that makes another player in the game a host, but this will most likely be not very good and may not work all the time, and in the best scenario would result in a delay in play. This is unacceptable, it disrupts and destroys gameplay and would destroy competitive play. Unless you have a poor server, the game will always be on with no disruptions.

Performance

This links in with Latency and host drop out. Big server companies pay lots of money for specialist server and networking equipment, and their sole purpose is to provide a server for you. The server they give you has one purpose alone, to host games, not host games and play them at the same time and whatever else goes on in the average PC. This will affect gameplay, if the host cannot handle hosting the game either due to poor hardware and/or poor connection, the whole game will lag (don't believe me? go play a company of heroes game against a 1 bar performance person), also RTS experience has shown that you don't even need a dodgy host to lag the game, all you need is someone with a PC that has a poor spec and it ruins the game for everyone.

No community

How can there be a community if there is no central point to access a game. It has been revealed there will be no server browser, and as there are no servers there will be no IP addresses to give out. So how can you advertise a game/match to the general public to play? Like on a clan website or whatever. And once the host is gone, the game ends, so you can't invite people to the same match again or keep it running. Whereas with a dedicated server you can advertise the IP, and people can come and go as they please, and you can create a community of gamers around that server. You cannot have regulars to a match if it ends when everyone leaves.

Lack of control

You most definitly won't be able to customise a match like you can with a dedicated server, so you will lose a lot of control. You won't be able to ban people, kicking you may be able to but it won't be the same either way. You also won't be able to get the gameplay exactly how you like it as there will be no config files, no more server cvars, no more mods, no more maps, basically no third party stuff at all. Competitive gameplay can forget it, as there most likely won't be enough configuration options available, and competition mods like promod just won't be able to exist.

No Mods, maps, hence no modding community

You won't be able to use third party maps or mods as there are no dedicated servers to put them onto. No competitive mods, no competitive gaming. Can't install mods? Then there will be no point in making them anymore so a whole group of people just die out.

No scrims/competitive matches

As there is no server browser, or IP address to give out, how do you advertise your server in general to strangers who are not on your friends list? You can't, it will be very awkward to add somebody to your friends list so you can invite them to a server if they a stranger, this means getting scrims/matchs over IRC will become impossible: not everyone will want to advertise their ingame name or have people adding them as friends just to play a match, there are no server IPs so advertising for a match will require some creative thinking. Basically it will become such a big farse to get a scrim it will become impossible.

Destruction of server ecosystem

This is more of a business and financial point, which can make it even more important. No dedicated servers = No server hosting companies. There are lots of games still out there that use dedicated servers, but big releases bring in lots of money for these companies, so they will lose a lot of business and hence money, this will affect everybody, not just CoD players. If server companies go bust because of this every PC gamer will suffer, CoD fan or not. Also dedicated servers are the foundation of many gaming communities, without servers, they become pointless. Even more money will be lost because of this, as there is no central way of joining up in a match without a server IP for strangers/general public (remember matches are not 24/7 like game servers), these communities will just disappear.

VAC is bad - Cheating

I know punkbuster is extremely annoying, but it is simply better at catching cheaters than VAC. Just look at the Counter Strike games for an example, it is extremely easy to get away with cheating when using VAC. Cheating destroys the gaming experience for everyone and makes the game not worth playing. Matchmaking

As there is no server browser, you can no longer choose which match to play on. The game chooses for you, whether you like the match it connects you to or not is tough, as you cannot browse directly for a game you like. Sure there will most likely be filters, but the experience is diminished, and it will be a farse waiting for the matchmaker to find, and then connect you to a game. Also mentioned in the fateful interview, is that you will be paired up with people of the same rank. Rank is not an indicator of skill, any n00b can rank up to level 55 without any skill at all. You won't be able to choose who you play with/against, and you won't be able to judge their skill on their rank.

No more big games

You won't be able to have big games without a dedicated server because of the Latency and performance issues mentioned above. The average person's connection just won't be able to handle it, even small games will suffer without the bandwidth of a dedicated server company.

No competitive gaming

Competitive gaming has been mentioned throughout this posting so for additional reasons you should have read this article better. As there is no competitive gaming there will be no more clans or gaming communities as we know it, simply because competitive gaming relies on dedicated servers in almost every aspect. Without a dedicated server you will not be able to customise the match as greatly as you would with a server, IW will most likely not create a competitive gaming mode (why would they? If they did they would'nt have removed dedicated servers in the first place), no server browser or server IPs would make it very hard for strangers to get into the match, there will be no spectating or CoDTV so there will be limited coverage of major gaming events, cheating would be massive anyway as VAC is a poor anti-cheat solution so why bother playing competitivly? As there can be no server mods for obvious reasons, gameplay cannot be changed in the way that promod can change it, for the better, another reduction of control.

Symptom of a larger problem

All in all, the removal of dedicated servers is the symptom of a much larger problem: lack of support for the PC platform. By removing dedicated servers IW is making the PC experience more like the console experience is nearly everyway. If I wanted a console experience I would have brought a console, not a gaming PC. There is no reason for the PC gaming platform to exist if there are no differences between the console version of the game and the PC version, sure you have the keyboard and mouse, but that is all you have that is unique and special about the PC now. MW2 is basically just a straight console port, with most of the effort going into the console version of the game (Proof: the map packs came out on console before PC, so more effort is going into console), this results in a lesser experience for PC users, and also more issues later on, like bugs (they still havn't fixed the bugs in CoD4), and as we are a forgotton platform we will not recieve a patch until much later than the consoles receive one. The lack of support for the PC is growing, and the actions by IW may affect every new PC game devoloped by Activision, and even the industry in general. This trend needs to be reversed fast, or the day's of playing games on the PC may be numbered.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Mon 19 Oct 2009, 11:30 am

ok i am now mildly concerned,does this mean av could possibly shut down dedicated servers already in use for cod4?
if so then it looks like the end for us...do they do doom on the xbox?

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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Mon 19 Oct 2009, 5:39 pm

No, games that currently support dedicated servers will be fine, problem would be if future pc titles go the same way, although im sure a lot of game server providers will lose money over this.


I have heard that some have ordered extra capacity from their data centers to cope with what they thought would be a big demand for mod warfare 2 servers and have already taken money for game server pre orders.


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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Mon 19 Oct 2009, 5:50 pm

I think IW will get the message soon judging by all the pre-order cancellations that have been going on. I am not going to waste money on it, I'm already poor trying to go to school!!

Ah well, looks like I will be getting another game come November for my b-day!
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:17 am

I'm sure a lot of the community was like that
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:47 am

lol! It's not the end of the world guys. . . . some people can handle change. . . . ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 4:36 pm

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lol! It's not the end of the world guys. . . . some people can handle change. . . . ROFL

Luke I dont think you fully understand the full implications of what they are going to do, we should all boycott this game until IW announce there will be dedicated server support!

There will be no server browser, the way it will work for public servers at the moment is if you want to play a multilayer game you will have to wait in the "lounge" while the IW server matches you to other players of a similar rank wishing to enter a game, then one of you will be set as the server host, you will have no choice where or with who you play, the servers will be " listen" servers and likely laggy as hell.

And with this current set up, it would be very easy for them to start charging a monthly/yearly charge for MP play, as they do on xbox etc.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 7:10 pm

WOW this is IW response, they are not going to give us dedicated servers, what a load of rubbish.

Read all the responses. Crying or Very sad

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 8:07 pm

http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745 the reasons behind the move. To be fair they are very convincing.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 9:50 pm

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Matchmaking & Smoother Gameplay:

I really don't know where to start! listen servers are a big step backwards, it will be laggy as hell and you will be very limited on how many people you can get on the server.


bottom line is: if you want a console gaming experience then there is no need to spend loads of money on a decant gaming pc, just go buy a console!!

leave the pc side of things alone, we really dont need or want this dumb down rubbish.


btw did you read all 3 pages of replys to this post?




http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:24 pm

My brother plays on the PC also, and he said IW did the same thing with CoD4:MW. We have dedicated servers in that don't we? I think we can expect dedicated servers in the final release or in an early patch/update.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:35 pm

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My brother plays on the PC also, and he said IW did the same thing with CoD4:MW. We have dedicated servers in that don't we? I think we can expect dedicated servers in the final release or in an early patch/update.

I wouldn't count on it.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:44 pm

Why not? If Infinity Ward can change their mind once, why not again? Why would anyone want to take such a large amount of the community that the game would draw (in multiplayer mode) in both competitive and casual gaming, and modders and map makers, and destroy that community along with the sales they could've had? It makes no sense to downgrade the PC experience to the lower levels of the Xbox 360 and such, thus ruining the gameplay for the PC gamers. Hopefully IW makes this into another CoD4:MW incident.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:41 am

This is sad..No dedicated servers my cousin saw me playing COD4 on PC when he is a PS3 user and he was ready to up and jump on a PC and play because he liked the better control and awesomeness. They will lose so much money if they keep this up..I have a feeling they will give in. I think we could compromise with a Server List setup like the one we have now AND the Matchmaking System they want...So if people want to do what they suggest we can use it why still have what we think keeps the company great....Its not OUR FAULT that PB sucks. VAC is even worse....Followed by X-Trap and GameGuard. There is no 100% way to remove hackers and cheaters other than to keep your product up to date and make sure you keep the population down...Have a better CD Key checking software...Don't hang your fans because you can't develop a better system.

They don't care about the fans...The only people I think care about the fans are the PC only games like WoW and Everquest, Everquest II, Darkfall etc. Because there entire money stream comes from making the PC users happy.

I walk into GameStop to but a game and its always the same year and a half old games on the rack...and its 1 rack....Why all around the room is PS3 and Xbox360 and Wii, DS etc....I just hate it....They just rip out the internals of a computer and throw it into a shiny case to ONLY play games....Imagine if you console gamers upgraded your PC's once and a while...you could use that graphics card and processing power for EVERYTHING! Not just games and hanging out on your TV...I do the exact same thing on my computer but I can do a lot more than you console gamers....and I don't get Red Rings of Death or the Yellow Light. or anything....If I have a problem with my computer I fix it or if I can't fix it I call geek squad or something.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:29 pm

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Why not? If Infinity Ward can change their mind once, why not again? Why would anyone want to take such a large amount of the community that the game would draw (in multiplayer mode) in both competitive and casual gaming, and modders and map makers, and destroy that community along with the sales they could've had? It makes no sense to downgrade the PC experience to the lower levels of the Xbox 360 and such, thus ruining the gameplay for the PC gamers. Hopefully IW makes this into another CoD4:MW incident.

Thing is they planned to add dedicated servers to cod4 from the start, but with mw2 its clear they have been planning this for some time, they have put a lot of effort into this lame iwnet.com matchmaking system, I really cant see them backing down and adding dedicated servers to mw2.

Remember the pc market is very small compared to the console market, so they can afford to lose money (short term) over this, I think this post from pbbans sums it up nicely.



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At this point in time, I have no expectations that Infinity Ward will change their mind about this decision. They are so focused on creating this truly 'epic' new multiplayer experience, that they are willing to sacrifice millions of dollars in revenue from cancelled pre-orders in the short term.

Their long term plan hinges on getting PC users to accept this new model asap. Once this is done, they will have complete control over content and prices on the PC as they already do in the console segment. Of course then, they can slowly jack up the prices for new games and DLC, and claw back the money they lost in the short term.

I love the PC gaming community, but these 'people' are trying to destroy it.. all in the name of $$'s. Quite frankly, what they are trying to do, sickens me.

Infinity Ward have created the biggest sh**storm in PC gaming history. Their name will forever be tarnished.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 22 Oct 2009, 12:53 am

LOL, sh*tstorm, that's funny but true. I personally think that making it into a universal format for both consoles and PC's is going to be a major downfall. At least we can hope for a chance to play against the nubs on xbox
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 22 Oct 2009, 1:25 am

I hate the consoles all the new ones were just ripped off a PC you crack open a Console and I am looking at a A a mutation.

The console is like a human with only half a brain it can't run like a PC so all it does it play games and act stupid.


They killed it...I went from the MW2 thread watching the videos and I see this thread and I am pissed...Oh well I have canceled my pristine edition of MW2


I am considering buying for console but I don't want to give them anymore rev. But if there is going to be no dedicated I might as well just get the game for my PS3




UPDATE:


Rob Bowling, community manager (Gamer / Geek / Creative Strategist at Infinity Ward...as he says on his Twitter page) at Infinity Ward was kind enough to
join our panel on BASH today. He let us in on the news that IW was
taking Modern Warfare in a new direction. The online game on PC has
changed. Dedicated servers are out. IW.net is in.




This is a game changer and many of you may not be too happy. I for
one will be willing to listen and try it out. It’s all I can do.




For the folks in our community that mod and map, the future does not look as bright as the past.





The community manager says his hands are tied and he wants us to be willing and try it out.....HECK NO! We want our Dedicated Servers
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 22 Oct 2009, 6:16 am

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The community manager says his hands are tied and he wants us to be willing and try it out.....HECK NO! We want our Dedicated Servers

Bit to late after they have your money what incentive would they have to fix it, they should have done beta testing.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 22 Oct 2009, 9:30 pm

WOW this just goes to show their complete contempt for the pc gaming community, no chance of them backing down.

btw "fourzerotwo" is the main PR guy for infinity ward!

http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18717&page=2

Edit: this may be fake.


Although there is talk of the modding and mapping community porting all the mw2 maps over to mw1 lol!


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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 22 Oct 2009, 9:37 pm

I am sure with geniusness someone could code the guns and perks/new killstreak system over as well....

Maybe even hack the engine MW2 is running and code the dedicated servers in too... Hell if you can code Multiplayer for GTA III and San Andreas anything is possible....(And people though that rockstar had a brilliant Multiplayer idea, YEAH right stolen from modders)
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 2:17 pm

late, but I signed.
Maybe this is a matter of profit, to maintain the connections on the pc cost much, while for the PS3 and x-box cost him less then + gain.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 10 Nov 2009, 8:47 pm

I used the money I planned on using to get MW2 with to pre-order Left 4 Dead 2 (I was very impressed by the demo) at $15 cheaper. I will probably eventually end up getting MW2 if IW doesn't relent and if the price goes down (they make the game impossible to pirate and proceed to make the game $10 more, haha what?) but for now I'm staying out of it. Once the stock maps lose their luster we'll be at the mercy of IW to release map packs, which is a terrible system.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 10 Nov 2009, 9:28 pm

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Once the stock maps lose their luster we'll be at the mercy of IW to release map packs, which is a terrible system.

This game is via steam, you will almost certainly have to pay for map packs as they do on xbox 360 etc..

And no chance of selling the game on when you have finished the sp side of it and realized what a complete joke the multi player side is.



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Games graphics is awsome.

Online is shit for me so far.

Its the same setup as Xbox360.... right down to no ping just the 5 green bar strenght level crap....

Have tried to play 15 games only played 3 so far..

Host quits , Time outs , Host quits during game , players quit before
timer finishes and start wait all over again... blah blah....


Gonna try and play again..

Good luck to others.




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Apparently, for the novice user, Infinity Ward thinks that
understanding NAT and configuring your router to forward a port is far
simpler than looking at a server listing and clicking 'join game'
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 10 Nov 2009, 10:16 pm

My question is are we seeing any development of getting Dedicated Servers Back or How goes the sales of PC MW2?
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 10 Nov 2009, 11:24 pm

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My question is are we seeing any development of getting Dedicated Servers Back or How goes the sales of PC MW2?

I'm sure they have no intention of adding dedicated servers.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Wed 11 Nov 2009, 9:26 pm

My god, mw2 hacks are already out and with no server admins no way to kick or ban players that use them.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Wed 11 Nov 2009, 11:58 pm

Serves them right, the fools who bought MW2 and Infinty Ward

I am laughing my way to the bank with the 70$ I saved from buying it.

I recently Pre-Ordered The Saboteur
and bought Unreal Tournament 3

I think I am all gamed out still I see a certain game have certain features.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Thu 12 Nov 2009, 8:11 pm

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My god, mw2 hacks are already out and with no server admins no way to kick or ban players that use them.

I am seriously laughing my ARSE off!! Serves them right! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

(Sorry, had to vent some how!!)
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 16 Jan 2010, 11:17 am

This was posted on the pbbans forum

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If anyone is paranoid about their IP (external and internal) getting sent to other players then you may want to avoid playing MW2 completely:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/xd0dnzynwne/IW_Security.zip





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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 5:32 pm

I agree, but I saved like $120 because no PC, then no Xbox either. But I have played thru the campaign on a friends xbox. It was fun. Oh well. I heard saboteur was a good game and had some good replay value.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Fri 12 Feb 2010, 11:04 pm

Sigh

I think we can thank both MW2 and WOW for this.

http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19596


Given the "disproportionate contribution" that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 provided to Activision Blizzard's well-padded bottom line, it won't come as a surprise that the next Call of Duty game is coming this holiday season. See? You're not surprised.

Activision Blizzard confirmed its plans to "continue annualizing"
the first-person shooter franchise with the still-unnamed seventh entry
in the billion dollar Call of Duty series, offering little new info.

But executives did talk briefly about the game's release window and
their desire to see some subscription-style revenue from the series.


"If you think about the successes we have had in other categories
on subscriptions, you can get a sense of the direction we want to take
that franchise
," Activision CEO Bobby Kotick said during today's
quarterly earnings call, not specifying exactly when it planned to take
such steps.

Execs expected a less "friendly" release window in 2010 than the one
that Modern Warfare 2 had in 2009, when publishers, including
Activision, shifted games from the fourth quarter to the next year.

While Activision Blizzard brass did not name the developer of the next major Call of Duty game, developer Treyarch has been linked to the next iteration.


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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 13 Feb 2010, 1:46 am

See, this kind of thing works for WoW though. The subscription revenue, I mean. You have a s*** load of realms to choose from, each with their own population, and with thousands of people on the servers at one time. It's most likely THE biggest MMORPG to date. With all those servers running, you need money to keep them up, patch them, maintanence them, etc. That's where the money goes. It always comes back to the players in some way.

However, on an FPS, there really is no need for a subscription. Why? You don't need to run any servers, since the matches are run locally off one of the players. Sure, there are patches that are put into the Steam updates to fix stuff, but that's about it, as far as subscription revenue goes into that game. And the patches are usually for glitches/bugs or to prevent some cheats from being used. They can patch as much as they want, they will never be able to completely fix everything that goes wrong, such as hackers and cheaters. It's very simple to use a hex editor and change the code on your PC to allow you to cheat, such as changing your ammo or changing player textures.

Unless they plan to use the subscription revenue to run official dedicated servers, I see no need to include the extra expense in an FPS.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 13 Feb 2010, 9:01 am

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See, this kind of thing works for WoW though. The subscription revenue, I mean. You have a s*** load of realms to choose from, each with their own population, and with thousands of people on the servers at one time. It's most likely THE biggest MMORPG to date. With all those servers running, you need money to keep them up, patch them, maintanence them, etc. That's where the money goes. It always comes back to the players in some way.

However, on an FPS, there really is no need for a subscription. Why? You don't need to run any servers, since the matches are run locally off one of the players. Sure, there are patches that are put into the Steam updates to fix stuff, but that's about it, as far as subscription revenue goes into that game. And the patches are usually for glitches/bugs or to prevent some cheats from being used. They can patch as much as they want, they will never be able to completely fix everything that goes wrong, such as hackers and cheaters. It's very simple to use a hex editor and change the code on your PC to allow you to cheat, such as changing your ammo or changing player textures.

Unless they plan to use the subscription revenue to run official dedicated servers, I see no need to include the extra expense in an FPS.

with the current set up on MW2 they could very easily use a subscription service for online play and as for WOW, No server is worth $15 a slot (per month) from EVERY player, they must be laughing all the way to the bank, they are just lining their pockets.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 13 Feb 2010, 3:31 pm

ADW {KAN} wrote:
with the current set up on MW2 they could very easily use a subscription service for online play and as for WOW, No server is worth $15 a slot (per month) from EVERY player, they must be laughing all the way to the bank, they are just lining their pockets.

They are coming out with an expansion for WoW, which will completely rework the first areas you have access to in the game. Expansions don't just pop up, you have to have people constantly working on them, building map geometry, placing entities, properly clipping the areas that players aren't supposed to get to, scripting it properly, fixing bugs, and all that other s***.

Anyways, running one server with that much world packed into it takes a lot to maintanence. Running a load of servers with a super world on it takes even more. As I said, WoW gives back to its players in various forms: patches that actually do something (buffs, debuffs, new quests, etc.), expansions (you really can't expand on an FPS), fixed bugs/glitches, more benefits for lower level characters, and others. And you can make add-ons to help you with quests and keeping track of your equipment. Its an environment where you can express your concerns, get them fixed, and help other players by your own scripting.

Plus, even if they do make profits, every company has to have some profits.
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PostSubject: Re: PETITION TO MAKE CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 HAVE...   Sat 13 Feb 2010, 3:45 pm

mraztec3{KAN} wrote:
ADW {KAN} wrote:
with the current set up on MW2 they could very easily use a subscription service for online play and as for WOW, No server is worth $15 a slot (per month) from EVERY player, they must be laughing all the way to the bank, they are just lining their pockets.

They are coming out with an expansion for WoW, which will completely rework the first areas you have access to in the game. Expansions don't just pop up, you have to have people constantly working on them, building map geometry, placing entities, properly clipping the areas that players aren't supposed to get to, scripting it properly, fixing bugs, and all that other s***.

Anyways, running one server with that much world packed into it takes a lot to maintanence. Running a load of servers with a super world on it takes even more. As I said, WoW gives back to its players in various forms: patches that actually do something (buffs, debuffs, new quests, etc.), expansions (you really can't expand on an FPS), fixed bugs/glitches, more benefits for lower level characters, and others. And you can make add-ons to help you with quests and keeping track of your equipment. Its an environment where you can express your concerns, get them fixed, and help other players by your own scripting.

Plus, even if they do make profits, every company has to have some profits.


some profit? give me a break, just think about the profit they are making $15 a month from every player on top of the initial cost of the game.

Well as the old saying goes "a fool and his money are easily parted"

Think we will just have to agree to disagree on this.


and as the original post has now been pushed back, here is a quick bump


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http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19596


Given the "disproportionate contribution" that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 provided to Activision Blizzard's well-padded bottom line, it won't come as a surprise that the next Call of Duty game is coming this holiday season. See? You're not surprised.

Activision Blizzard confirmed its plans to "continue annualizing"
the first-person shooter franchise with the still-unnamed seventh entry
in the billion dollar Call of Duty series, offering little new info.

But executives did talk briefly about the game's release window and
their desire to see some subscription-style revenue from the series.


"If you think about the successes we have had in other categories
on subscriptions, you can get a sense of the direction we want to take
that franchise
," Activision CEO Bobby Kotick said during today's
quarterly earnings call, not specifying exactly when it planned to take
such steps.

Execs expected a less "friendly" release window in 2010 than the one
that Modern Warfare 2 had in 2009, when publishers, including
Activision, shifted games from the fourth quarter to the next year.

While Activision Blizzard brass did not name the developer of the next major Call of Duty game, developer Treyarch has been linked to the next iteration.
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